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Questions spreading rumors in Sound Off

Published: March 27, 2013 4:00 AM

Sound Off published an item Saturday, March 23 about Homeland Security buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition and 2000 "light tactical armored vehicles" to combat civil unrest.

The Social Security Administration, not Homeland Security, bought 174,000 rounds (not billions) for its Office of Inspector General agents, who are armed law enforcement agents. No tanks in the purchase. Check with Snopes.com for details.

It is always helpful to check out such information instead of spreading wild rumors. Leave that to the Tea Party.

Timothy D. Smith,

Professor emeritus

School of Journalism and Mass Communication

Kent State University


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childofgod Mar 28, 2013 11:01 AM

Geez Trawl! Trying to read your posts is a bit sad. You made 6 posts in 1 hour, 26 minutes....don't you have anything else to do? It looks like you're trying to dominate the issue by intimidating other writers. You should be ashamed of yourself. This format is designed to encourage discussion, not to give you a platform to attack other people who think differently than you.

trawl Mar 27, 2013 3:45 PM

Yeah Tim, thats how it works. Take part of a truth build rumor around it. 1.6 billion rounds of ammo, the number seems true. But: Ignore how those are DHS purchase orders for UP TO 1.6 B rounds, 1<= amount requisitioned <= 1.6B rounds. Then lets ignore how the purchase is for the next 5 years. Some sources make it seem as though the ammo has already been delivered. Then we have to forget how just about all federal agencies were brought under the DHS umbrella when Homeland Security was created.

trawl Mar 27, 2013 3:44 PM

Still, 1,600,000,000 rounds of ammunition is allot of ammunition. Over 5 years. And the part of the article I guess the Nuts don't want the public to know about (because the cite cuts off the part about) 70,000 officers and agents a year put through training (is that per facility or total) which comes down to just over 4,500 rounds / agent-officer trainee, assuming all 320,000,000 rounds went to only the training facility.

trawl Mar 27, 2013 3:43 PM

Then there is Recurrent Proficiency Training. If all those 320,000,000 rounds went to the single class of 70,000 officers it would work out to ~ 88 rounds / week / shooter. Put another way, thats less than 3 high cap mags / week in an assault rifle. Less than two boxes of handgun ammo. An avid shooter will tell you thats nothing.

trawl Mar 27, 2013 3:42 PM

In conclusion, if one stops and thinks about it (and thinking isn't something I expect the Bagger Wing Nut to do. Thinking gets in the way of their being easily led) 1.6B rounds of ammunition spread among just about all federal agencies over 5 years isn't really all that much.

trawl Mar 27, 2013 2:19 PM

No, Doc, read the URL you posted. You cited the Denver post which truncated the AP story. I guess the last two thirds of the story didn't suit your purposes? You may not be a TeaBagger but you seem as easily led.

trawl Mar 27, 2013 2:19 PM

Far as the "exact questions being asked in Congress'? You mean like McConnells asking about Gitmo prisoners receiving Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits (as reported in The Duffel Blog?) ? Then there is Congressman Ted Cruz, the New McCarthy. No telling what the Wing Nuts are going to do or say to keep their Sheeple in line.

doc54 Mar 27, 2013 12:15 PM

Trawl I cited the AP and if no purchase has been made then why are these exact questions being asked in Congress. I don't really care what the nut case Jones said. The article not Jones states that HSA wants to purchase 1.6 Billion rounds of ammunition and the they use 15 million rounds a year in training. A ten year supply?

stanback Mar 27, 2013 11:36 AM

Doc: The piece written by Professor Smith contains nothing but facts. The SSA did buy 174,000 rounds of ammo. Homeland Security HAS NOT purchased 1.6 billion rounds of ammo. There is a PROPOSAL to do so OVER THE NEXT 4 OR 5 YEARS but they have purchased nothing as of yet. Finally, no where is there mention of armored vehicles other than in the jibberish coming out of Alex Jones mouth on a daily basis. Quite honestly, any newspaper that would even quote Alex Jones is automatically suspect.

trawl Mar 27, 2013 11:14 AM

Doc, Buddy, citing a source that uses Alex Jones and Infowars ... Really? Jones is the Nutcases Nutcase.

doc54 Mar 27, 2013 8:24 AM

A couple last points, I am a conservative but not amember of any group like the Tea Party (I prefer to think for myself) as a professor of journalism I would have thought you would check your facts before writing an opinion piece. The link provided below is to an Associated Press article, Google is a wonderful tool to prevent you from looking foolish.

doc54 Mar 27, 2013 8:15 AM

Professor Smith, perhaps you should take your own advice and actually look for the facts before making overly broad accusations of gossip. Here is a link for you http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_22594279/homeland-security-aims-buy-1-6-billion-rounds to check the actual story. There is actually a large purchase in progress. Based on the facts published approximately a ten year supply of ammunition.